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  1. forum rang 6 Chiddix 19 februari 2022 18:53
    Macron belt Poetin morgen(bron:EenVandaag). Vragen aan Poetin of de spanningen in Oost-Oekraine wat minder mogen worden? Poetin zal zeggen, die mensen daar voelen zich bedreigd. Dan moet Macron eigenlijk Zelensky bellen? Die merkte op, als Biden zeker weet dat Kiev straks het doel is, waarom dan al geen sancties? Maar zo werkt het niet.
  2. forum rang 4 K. Wiebes 19 februari 2022 19:12
    Net zoals de VS tijdens de Cuba-crises geen raketten in Cuba wou, zo wil Rusland nu geen raketten in
    z'n voortuin. Ik vind dat op zich niet zo héél raar. Dáárom een oorlog ontketenen anno 2022 is wél raar.

    Maar wat mij betreft ligt de oplossing van het probleem bij de Oekraïne zelf. Ze zullen waarschijnlijk
    nooit tot de NAVO worden toegelaten en moeten daarom ook gewoon ophouden met daarover te
    ouwehoeren.

    Wanneer grondwettelijk zou worden vastgelegd dat de Oekraïne neutraal blijft is driekwart van het
    probleem opgelost, wat mij betreft. Wat er vervolgens met die halve zolen in Oost-Oekraïne moet
    gebeuren is dan verder een interne aangelegenheid.
    Die kan, samen met een voorstel tot grondwetswijziging, aan de bevolking aldaar ter stemmig
    worden voorgelegd.
  3. forum rang 8 Beperktedijkbewaking 20 februari 2022 01:33
    quote:

    Carl 2-8 schreef op 19 februari 2022 17:44:

    Het westen gebruikt altijd zijn economische power en heeft zo al landen als rhodesia met de sterkste munt ter wereld en rijkste grondstoffen en granen doen transformeren naar Zimbabwe met de zwakste munt ter wereld en dit door het af te zonderen en als dictatuur te beschouwen.
    ...
    Wat een onzin. De enige die Zimbabwe naar de bedelstaf heeft gebracht was de geriatrisch patiënt Mugabe.

  4. forum rang 8 Freemoneyforever 20 februari 2022 07:39
    Nederland gaat militaire goederen leveren aan Oekraïne. Dat heeft het kabinet besloten in de ministerraad. Het gaat om scherpschuttersgeweren met munitie, gevechtshelmen, scherfvesten, radars en detectoren voor het opsporen van grondmijnen en zeemijnen.

    nos.nl/collectie/13888/artikel/241791...

    Ik vraag mij af of dit afdoende is, hoewel het een gebaar is.
    Een echte vriend levert geavanceerde luchtverdediging en, antitankwapens.en//of andere deskundige verdediging tegen de enorme troepenmacht die heel Oekraïne kan overmeesteren. Met het nu geleverde schrik je Poetin niet af, mijns inziens.

    Als het zo doorgaat, ben ik benieuwd, wat Poetin doet na een aanval op Oekraïne. Het huidige beleid belooft mijns inziens niet veel voor de stabiliteit van Europa (en denk ook eens aan Taiwan, die wij ondubbelzinnig dienen te steunen. Het is de hoogste tijd voor een krachtige opstelling.
  5. [verwijderd] 20 februari 2022 08:02
    Harris on Ukraine: World at ‘a decisive moment in history’

    Vice President Kamala Harris said Saturday that the world has arrived at “a decisive moment in history” as the Biden administration warns a Russian invasion of Ukraine in the coming days is highly likely.

    During a meeting with Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference, Harris vowed that the U.S. was committed to Ukraine’s sovereignty. The vice president also used an address at the conference to reiterate the Biden administration’s promise to hit Russia with economy-jarring sanctions if it invades Ukraine again, following the 2014 seizure of Crimea.

    “Let me be clear, I can say with absolute certainty: If Russia further invades Ukraine, the United States, together with our allies and partners, will impose significant and unprecedented economic costs,” Harris said.

    Harris addressed the annual Munich conference the day after President Joe Biden said he was “convinced” that Russia’s Vladimir Putin has made the decision to invade neighboring Ukraine.

    youtu.be/o2jyU3c_xaQ
  6. [verwijderd] 20 februari 2022 08:16
    US Sends 5th Generation Stealth F 35s To Germany In Bid To Strengthen NATO Firepower Against Putin

    According to reports, the US Air Force has sent an undisclosed number of 5th-generation stealth F-35A aircraft to Germany. The arrival of American jets is seen as part of the NATO mission to reinforce deterrence against Russia. The move is also aimed to reassure US allies in Europe that Washington stands firmly behind them.

    youtu.be/fnCEBngvoSQ
  7. [verwijderd] 20 februari 2022 08:27
    Uncomfortable Parallels: Hitler and Putin

    Hopefully, history will not repeat itself. But in view of recent events in Ukraine, especially the annexation of Crimea, one is reminded of some ominous parallels nearly 80 years ago, when Adolf Hitler annexed Austria.

    That annexation in 1938 bears close resemblance to Vladimir Putin’s annexation of Crimea in 2014:

    ¦ In both cases, the alleged repression of a shared ethnic group was used to foment unrest and rally support for the takeover agenda.

    ¦ In both cases, a carefully stage-managed popular referendum was held and, in both cases, its ultimate outcome was strongly in favor of annexation.

    It almost seems that Putin took a page out of Hitler’s book when he described Crimea’s annexation as a “homecoming.” Hitler had welcomed Austria “home” in the same way (Heim ins Reich).

    National and personal humiliation

    These remarkable similarities invite a comparative look at the principals, Vladimir Putin in 2014 and Adolf Hitler in 1938.

    Putin had served the Soviet Union as a KGB officer in East Germany around the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union. It must have been deeply humiliating to him to witness the dissolution of the Soviet republics and Soviet dominated countries and their quick alignment with the West.

    Thirteen countries around Russia, from Bulgaria to Estonia, with a combined population of 120 million, not only joined the European Union, but also became members of NATO.

    The sudden presence of these two Western organizations in what Russia, for some time, had regarded as its “sphere” must have appeared aggressive and deeply humiliating to Vladimir Putin.

    The source of Adolf Hitler’s comparable humiliation was the Treaty of Versailles ending WWI. It left Germany with crippling reparation payments and restrictions on its sovereignty.

    Just as Putin did eight decades later, Hitler managed to translate his personal sense of humiliation into national sentiment, gaining a large popular following. Both men derived a mandate to redress national humiliation from their high approval ratings.
    Similar disdain for Western culture

    In addition, the muted Western response appears to have affirmed each man’s sense of personal toughness and self-discipline. By extension, both men were also keen to show their disdain for the decadence in Western culture.

    Nazi Germany persecuted “decadent” arts and artists, including American Jazz artists. Putin’s Russia focuses on homophobic laws and engaging in deliberately offensive political rhetoric styled as an explicit reaction to the West’s supposed lax standards of morality.

    Despite important differences, stylistically both Hitler and Putin:

    ¦ share a perceived need to redress national humiliation

    ¦ project tough-guy self images

    ¦ rely on strong popular support and the belief in Western decadence and softness.

    The success with Austria and Crimea encouraged both Hitler and Putin to engage in further expansionist adventures.

    At this point, however, it is important to abandon the search for any further comparisons – if only because this could be insulting to Mr. Putin, who still has many choices ahead of him.

    It seems clear, however, that Putin is prepared to keep challenging the West as long as he can do so successfully. He observes declining European defense budgets and intensifying debates among Europeans over the justification of economic sanctions imposed on Russia. He knows he can sow doubts easily in some nations, for very little money.

    America’s cold warring is over

    Many Europeans seem to still cling to the Cold War notion that military matters are better left to the Americans.

    The United States, while the senior member of NATO, evidently finds going to war over some small piece of Eastern Europe that does not pose a direct threat to U.S. national security very unpopular.

    This is not surprising since Europe, in the meantime, has essentially caught up economically with the United States. European defense therefore is no longer a question of means, but a question of will.

    It is, of course, conceivable that Russia’s new aggressiveness will have the unifying effect in Europe that has been missing lately.

    Europe is far more directly affected by Russian expansionism than is the United States. Europe must therefore step up to the plate.

    The proverbial line must be drawn, even though this is more easily said than done in a world of hybrid war and non-linear strategies.

    At the same time, Mr. Putin must be persuaded and convinced that he can be secure and respected — within his own borders.

    www.theglobalist.com/uncomfortable-pa...
  8. [verwijderd] 20 februari 2022 09:19
    Ukraine threatens to renounce its non-nuclear status

    The country’s president has requested talks on the implementation of the Budapest Memorandum

    Ukraine could give up its decades-old pledge to be a non-nuclear nation and reverse the decision it took to give up its atomic weapons after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has warned.

    Speaking at the Munich security conference on Saturday, Zelensky pointed out that in 1994 Ukraine joined the Budapest Memorandum and gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for security guarantees, suggesting the move could be reversed if it is threatened by neighboring Russia.

    “Today we have neither weapons nor security. We have lost a part of our territory, which is larger by its area than Switzerland, the Netherlands, Belgium. And, most importantly, we’ve lost millions of our citizens. All this is absent,” Zelensky said.

    He also said that Ukraine tried to initiate consultations with the guarantor states of the Budapest Memorandum three times as part of an effort to review its terms – without any success.

    “Today Ukraine will do it for the fourth time,” he said, stressing that he had ordered his Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba to request the consultations but that it would be the last attempt from Ukraine's side.

    “If they do not take place or there are no concrete decisions regarding the security guarantees for our state, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all package decisions of 1994 have been put under question,” Zelensky said.

    The Ukrainian leader underlined that “collective condemnation” by Western allies has not turned so far into “collective actions.”

    Replying to questions after the speech, Zelensky said that he did not agree with “a leader of one major country” on the matter of potential sanctions against Russia. He explained his discontent with his counterpart’s remarks by saying: “We do not need sanctions when we are already shelled, when the borders disappear, when our country is already occupied. What is the benefit of these sanctions for us afterwards?”

    Over the last few months, Western countries have repeatedly accused Russia of alleged plans to invade Ukraine – something that Moscow categorically denies. On Friday, the authorities of two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine claimed that Kiev planned a military “breakthrough” into their territory. Ukrainian officials have also denied these claims.

    President Zelensky insists that the Minsk agreements, which are poised to serve as a road map for a peace process, have been “poorly written” and do not benefit Ukraine. Instead Zelensky would like to see a new document, to be signed by the “major powers,” including Russia and the US, which would contain several clauses on security guarantees for Ukraine.

    www.rt.com/russia/549994-ukraine-thre...
  9. forum rang 8 Lepre Chaun 20 februari 2022 09:25
    De Oekraïense president beschuldigde westerse wereldleiders ervan een beleid van verzoening te voeren.

    De buitenlandministers van de G7 riepen in hun verklaring op tot overleg met Moskou om tot een diplomatieke oplossing te komen.
    Recentelijk lieten verschillende wereldleiders eenzelfde geluid horen.
  10. grz085 20 februari 2022 09:32
    quote:

    johan20090 schreef op 20 februari 2022 09:19:

    Ukraine threatens to renounce its non-nuclear status

    The country’s president has requested talks on the implementation of the Budapest Memorandum

    Ukraine could give up its decades-old pledge to be a non-nuclear nation and reverse the decision it took to give up its atomic weapons after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has warned.

    Speaking at the Munich security conference on Saturday, Zelensky pointed out that in 1994 Ukraine joined the Budapest Memorandum and gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for security guarantees, suggesting the move could be reversed if it is threatened by neighboring Russia.

    “Today we have neither weapons nor security. We have lost a part of our territory, which is larger by its area than Switzerland, the Netherlands, Belgium. And, most importantly, we’ve lost millions of our citizens. All this is absent,” Zelensky said.

    He also said that Ukraine tried to initiate consultations with the guarantor states of the Budapest Memorandum three times as part of an effort to review its terms – without any success.

    “Today Ukraine will do it for the fourth time,” he said, stressing that he had ordered his Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba to request the consultations but that it would be the last attempt from Ukraine's side.

    “If they do not take place or there are no concrete decisions regarding the security guarantees for our state, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all package decisions of 1994 have been put under question,” Zelensky said.

    The Ukrainian leader underlined that “collective condemnation” by Western allies has not turned so far into “collective actions.”

    Replying to questions after the speech, Zelensky said that he did not agree with “a leader of one major country” on the matter of potential sanctions against Russia. He explained his discontent with his counterpart’s remarks by saying: “We do not need sanctions when we are already shelled, when the borders disappear, when our country is already occupied. What is the benefit of these sanctions for us afterwards?”

    Over the last few months, Western countries have repeatedly accused Russia of alleged plans to invade Ukraine – something that Moscow categorically denies. On Friday, the authorities of two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine claimed that Kiev planned a military “breakthrough” into their territory. Ukrainian officials have also denied these claims.

    President Zelensky insists that the Minsk agreements, which are poised to serve as a road map for a peace process, have been “poorly written” and do not benefit Ukraine. Instead Zelensky would like to see a new document, to be signed by the “major powers,” including Russia and the US, which would contain several clauses on security guarantees for Ukraine.

    www.rt.com/russia/549994-ukraine-thre...
  11. grz085 20 februari 2022 09:35
    rtnieuws

    Een grote propaganda zender en gestuurd vanuit Moskou. In het westen is er trouwens ook bijna geen onafhankelijke media meer!

  12. forum rang 5 Bulletje Rozenwater 20 februari 2022 09:37
    quote:

    johan20090 schreef op 20 februari 2022 09:19:

    Ukraine threatens to renounce its non-nuclear status

    The country’s president has requested talks on the implementation of the Budapest Memorandum

    Ukraine could give up its decades-old pledge to be a non-nuclear nation and reverse the decision it took to give up its atomic weapons after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has warned.

    Speaking at the Munich security conference on Saturday, Zelensky pointed out that in 1994 Ukraine joined the Budapest Memorandum and gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for security guarantees, suggesting the move could be reversed if it is threatened by neighboring Russia.

    “Today we have neither weapons nor security. We have lost a part of our territory, which is larger by its area than Switzerland, the Netherlands, Belgium. And, most importantly, we’ve lost millions of our citizens. All this is absent,” Zelensky said.

    He also said that Ukraine tried to initiate consultations with the guarantor states of the Budapest Memorandum three times as part of an effort to review its terms – without any success.

    “Today Ukraine will do it for the fourth time,” he said, stressing that he had ordered his Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba to request the consultations but that it would be the last attempt from Ukraine's side.

    “If they do not take place or there are no concrete decisions regarding the security guarantees for our state, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all package decisions of 1994 have been put under question,” Zelensky said.

    The Ukrainian leader underlined that “collective condemnation” by Western allies has not turned so far into “collective actions.”

    Replying to questions after the speech, Zelensky said that he did not agree with “a leader of one major country” on the matter of potential sanctions against Russia. He explained his discontent with his counterpart’s remarks by saying: “We do not need sanctions when we are already shelled, when the borders disappear, when our country is already occupied. What is the benefit of these sanctions for us afterwards?”

    Over the last few months, Western countries have repeatedly accused Russia of alleged plans to invade Ukraine – something that Moscow categorically denies. On Friday, the authorities of two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine claimed that Kiev planned a military “breakthrough” into their territory. Ukrainian officials have also denied these claims.

    President Zelensky insists that the Minsk agreements, which are poised to serve as a road map for a peace process, have been “poorly written” and do not benefit Ukraine. Instead Zelensky would like to see a new document, to be signed by the “major powers,” including Russia and the US, which would contain several clauses on security guarantees for Ukraine.

    www.rt.com/russia/549994-ukraine-thre...
    Ze zijn bij RT erg goed om zaken uit zijn verband te trekken. De website is leuk om de Russische kant van het verhaal te horen, maar ik zou het niet als feiten brengen.

    Deze is ook geniaal, BJO bedreigt Oekraïne!, tenminste, als je alleen de kop leest:

    "‘Omens are grim’ for Ukraine, UK PM warns"

    www.rt.com/russia/549977-johnson-omen...
  13. forum rang 7 JdeFL 20 februari 2022 09:38
    quote:

    Lepre Chaun schreef op 20 februari 2022 09:25:

    De Oekraïense president beschuldigde westerse wereldleiders ervan een beleid van verzoening te voeren.
    ....
    Begrijp de frustraties wel. Dit moddert nu al 8 jaar aan. Dan maar ineens er helemaal voor gaan, of alles kwijt.
  14. forum rang 6 Happy 20 februari 2022 09:51
    NOS NIEUWS • BUITENLAND • VANDAAG, 00:25 • AANGEPAST VANDAAG, 02:49

    " NAVO verwacht grootscheepse aanval op Oekraïne, risico is 'zeer, zeer groot'

    Secretaris-generaal van de NAVO Jens Stoltenberg acht het risico van een grootscheepse Russische aanval op Oekraïne "zeer, zeer groot". Tegen de Duitse publieke zender ARD zei de NAVO-topman dat alles erop wijst dat zo'n militair offensief ophanden is.

    Ook de Britse premier Johnson zegt in een interview met de BBC dat Rusland een invasie voorbereidt. Russische militaire eenheden zouden het oogmerk hebben om de Oekraïense hoofdstad Kiev te omsingelen. Volgens Johnson zijn er aanwijzingen dat Moskou zich klaarmaakt voor "de grootste oorlog in Europa sinds 1945". "Mensen moeten zich realiseren hoeveel levens dat kan kosten", waarschuwt hij."

    NOS begint ook lekker te melden. De vuurtjes worden opgestookt. Nog even en ik begin ook in een gewapend conflict te geloven
  15. Wacko Winger 20 februari 2022 10:04
    Zoals door Wikipedia omschreven, ligt de annexatie van de krimp iets genuanceerder. Gedurende de Tweede Wereldoorlog was de Krim het toneel van hevige gevechten tussen Duits-Roemeense troepen enerzijds en troepen van het Rode Leger anderzijds. Na de bevrijding beschuldigde Stalin de Krim-Tataren van collaboratie met de Duitsers, en verbande hen collectief naar Centraal-Azië. De Krimse ASSR werd op 30 juni 1945 omgevormd tot de niet meer autonome Krimse Oblast van de Russische SFSR.

    Tijdens het bewind van Stalins opvolger Chroesjtsjov werd de Krim in 1954 aan de Oekraïense Socialistische Sovjetrepubliek overgedragen.

    Op 6 maart 2014 stemde het Krimse parlement in met een decreet dat bepaalt dat de Krim een deel van Rusland werd. Op 11 maart werd een voorwaardelijke onafhankelijkheidsverklaring getekend dat de Krim zich zou afscheiden van Oekraïne indien de bevolking voor aansluiting met Rusland zou kiezen. Hoewel op 16 maart 2014 een referendum over aansluiting bij Rusland werd gehouden, beschouwt het grootste deel van de internationale gemeenschap deze gebeurtenis als een illegale annexatie waardoor veel politieke controversie in de wereld ontstond over of het gebied daadwerkelijk Russisch is of Oekraïense.
  16. forum rang 7 JdeFL 20 februari 2022 10:19
    quote:

    Wacko Winger schreef op 20 februari 2022 10:04:

    ...
    Op 6 maart 2014 stemde het Krimse parlement in met een decreet dat bepaalt dat de Krim een deel van Rusland werd. Op 11 maart werd een voorwaardelijke onafhankelijkheidsverklaring getekend dat de Krim zich zou afscheiden van Oekraïne indien de bevolking voor aansluiting met Rusland zou kiezen. Hoewel op 16 maart 2014 een referendum over aansluiting bij Rusland werd gehouden, ...
    In België liggen een aantal grotendeels Franstalige gemeenten boven de taalgrens, in Vlaanderen dus. Die taalgrens kwam er mede om de verdere 'verfransing' van Vlaanderen tegen te gaan.
    Mocht je nu een referendum gaan houden in deze gemeenten, zouden ze misschien wel overstappen naar Wallonië. Misschien.
    Je zal overal wel zoiets vinden. De Krim was deels Russisch, maar daar hadden ze mee zelf voor gezorgd o.m. door er alla Tartaren te verdrijven. Een deel daarvan kwam terug onder Oekraïens bewind, maar na de Russische invasie werden de Tartaren terug een ongewenste minderheid.
    En er leeft een hoog aantal gepensioneerden, die hoopten een hoger Russisch pensioen te krijgen. Tenminste, dat werd hen voorgespiegeld.
    Tsja, dat referendum...
  17. John48 20 februari 2022 10:21
    In dit conflict is mij wel duidelijk dat het westen inclusief Biden geen enkele indruk op Putin malen. Verwacht wat dat betreft meer van China die mogelijk nog als 'vredesstichter' kan optreden.
  18. forum rang 7 JdeFL 20 februari 2022 10:21
    quote:

    snuf13 schreef op 20 februari 2022 10:05:

    Ik geloof pas als ik iets zie.

    Ik hoop dat het niet gebeurt!!!!
    Goud beweegt amper, $ ook niet.... Laat ons hopen.
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