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  1. forum rang 6 haas 26 februari 2022 07:02
    IK lees ook deze morgen diverse mededelingen:vliegtuig naar beneden, brug ingestort,wat slachtoffers etc.etc.etc.

    Maar het is daar gewoon oorlog. !!!
    Het ene land wil, ten koste van alles, gewoon 'n ander land veroveren/in bezit nemen.
    Wat ,jonge,Europese geschiedenis:
    (Duitsland deed dat in 1914 door Belgie te veroveren: gevolg 1 miljoen Belgische vluchtelingen in Nederland)
    (Hitler deed dat ook in Mei 1940 met het veroveren van van Nederland: in 5 dagen)
    ( Rusland was ontevreden over de ontwikkelingen en trok met veel militair vertoon Hongarije binnen(1956) en Tsjechie (1968)
    (ook nog wat ongeregeldheden in de Kaukasus later)

    PS: ik wens u goed weekend
  2. forum rang 10 DeZwarteRidder 26 februari 2022 08:38
    I’m Russian, but Ukraine is close to my heart. What on earth are we doing?
    Anonymous

    Despite being born in Russia, Ukraine feels like my second home. I just want to be able to return to the place of my childhood holidays
    Flowers on the steps of the Ukrainian embassy in Washington, 25 February 2022.
    ‘I can neither work nor think about anything except my mother, all the defenceless Russian and Ukrainian people, and the Ukrainian and Russian soldiers.’ Photograph: Alex Brandon/AP
    Fri 25 Feb 2022 18.35 GMT

    Last modified on Fri 25 Feb 2022 18.37 GMT

    At work today, in Moscow, there was nothing else to talk about. We are in a state of shock, horror, despair, apathy – I don’t even know what we all feel now. The news agencies, most of which are government-sponsored, say that Putin did the right thing. They are trying everything to show us that Ukraine does not deserve to exist as an independent country. And they say that the Russian government did everything to stop Ukraine. But stop them from what? That is the question.
    UN resolution deploring invasion vetoed – as it happened
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    My family tree spreads across many countries including Russia and Ukraine. I don’t know what my national identity is. I was born and raised in a very small town in Russia near the Ukrainian border. My mother still lives there.

    On the morning of 24 February, she woke me and my brother up with a call. I picked up the phone, but I couldn’t answer properly. My stammer, which had not bothered me since I was 17, came back in December, when the geopolitical situation began to deteriorate sharply.

    She said that the war had started. She was woken up by a loud explosion at around 6am. The windows in her house rattled. She said that she was packing her things and documents to go to my grandmother who lives in the city, which is further in from the border.

    I felt that something was irrevocably broken. As a child, my family and I often went to Ukraine, to the Kharkiv and Sumy regions, to my grandmother’s relatives and for shopping. In 2014, Putin began destroying Donbas and our visits became impossible. My father was afraid that they would burn our car because of the Russian licence plates. My grandma was afraid that the US would attack her home in Russia if she visited Ukraine again. My siblings and I were not afraid of anything at all. Ukraine was, is and will always be our second home.
    War in Ukraine is a severe test of China’s new axis with Russia
    Yu Jie
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    Now, 25 February, I am sitting in the office but, just like yesterday, I can neither work nor think about anything except my mother, all the defenceless Russian and Ukrainian people, and the Ukrainian and Russian soldiers. Many of them will be brought home in closed coffins. I have already seen this in 2014, when my aunt’s sons died in Donbas. She turned grey. I do not wish this on any mother in Ukraine, Russia, or any country in the world.

    While I am writing this, the largest Russian media are reporting that Chechen “volunteers” (Ramzan Kadyrov, the head of Chechnya, calls volunteers all those whom he has not yet killed in this unfortunate republic in the south of Russia) are ready to go to Ukraine. But it wasn’t this news that caught my attention. What struck me was that Moscow’s apparent readiness to start negotiations with Kyiv was announced not by Putin in person, but through China. Just think about that. He can’t even pay the country the respect of looking it in the face.

    The author lives in Moscow
  3. forum rang 6 Rowi62 26 februari 2022 09:22
    Russian Duma member: "I voted for the Law as a shield for Eastern Ukraine, not to attack Kiev"
  4. forum rang 10 DeZwarteRidder 26 februari 2022 12:26
    From 30m ago

    10:55
    Zelenskiy: 'We will win'

    Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy has been giving a press briefing this morning, and said his country will triumph over Russian forces.

    He said that government forces still control Kyiv and “key points around the city”. He said that Ukrainian forces would win, and criticised disinformation.

    In the final section of his speech, he said: “Please stop those who are lying, or trying to lie to you, or lying to us. We need to stop this war. We can live in peace together, globally as humans.

    “Our military, our national guard, our national police, our territory defence, special service, nationals of Ukraine, please carry on. We will win. Glory to Ukraine.”

    Zelenskiy said: “We are successfully holding back the enemies attacks. We know we are defending our land and the future of our children. Kyiv and the key areas are controlled by our army.

    “The occupiers wanted to set up their puppet in our capital. They didn’t succeed. On our streets, there was a proper fight going on.

    The enemy was using all its weapons, artillery, paratroops, all its weapons. They are hitting residential areas, they are trying to destroy energy infrastructure, and everyone should help us to stop this occupation.”

    He said that after discussions with EU leaders in recent days, including over shutting Russia out of the Swift payments system (see 9:28), he believed Ukraine should become part of the EU and its citizens should have the same rights.

    “Ukrainian people deserve to become members of the EU. And this would be a signal of your support to Ukraine. This discussion should be closed.

    “We discussed this today with the European leaders. All the equipment and defence military help is coming to Ukraine and work is going on to disconnecting Russia from Swift. I hope that Hungary will be forced to support this decision.”

    He asked for people who could come back to Ukraine to fight, to do so: “In every hour and place, city, and town and person ... everywhere where the enemy is killing our people, our armed forces are doing everything they can to destroy the enemy.

    “Those cities and town that are being attacked from the air are holding up, well done. If you can destroy the occupiers, please do. Everyone who can come back to Ukraine, please do, please come back.

    “We will have a lot of work to do to rebuild our Ukraine. Everyone who can defend it abroad, do it directly in a united way. Every friend of Ukraine who wants to join Ukraine in defending the country please come over, we will give you weapons. It will be announced very shortly, how this can be done. Everyone who is defending Ukraine is a hero.”

    He issued another plea to Russian people to help stop the war by putting pressure on Vladimir Putin and his government. Anti-war protesters have been arrested in recent days in Moscow and St Petersberg.

    “I want everyone in Russia to hear me. Everybody. Hundreds of captured soldiers who are here in Ukraine don’t know why they were sent here to kill people or be killed. People need to tell the government why the war has to be stopped, more people from your country will stay alive.

    “Your nationals are voicing their opposition to this war. We know many people in Russia are shocked now by the brutality of the Russian government, this is the right reaction, I am grateful to this reaction.”
  5. forum rang 10 DeZwarteRidder 26 februari 2022 12:29
    In a highly ominous development CNN has posted footage from inside Russia of a T0S-1 heavy flamethrower system being deployed towards the Ukrainian border on a flat bed truck.

    The TOs-1 is a missile system mounted on a T-72 tank chassis which fires thermobaric rockets and was first used during the Soviet war in Afghanistan and was also used more recently in Syria.
  6. forum rang 6 Rowi62 26 februari 2022 12:45
    Nabij Rivne (West Ukr.) : Russische paratroopers geland en direct krijgsgevangen gemaakt.

  7. forum rang 6 gbakl 26 februari 2022 12:54
    quote:

    Rowi62 schreef op 26 februari 2022 12:45:

    Nabij Rivne (West Ukr.) : Russische paratroopers geland en direct krijgsgevangen gemaakt.

    .
    je zou toch haast zeggen dat ze met de trein gekomen zijn.
  8. forum rang 6 jonas 26 februari 2022 13:09

    Ik vraag mij toch af of 100% afsluiten Rusland door middel van Swiftuitsluiting strategisch verstandig is ondanks alle ellende in Oekraïne nu. Wat houd je dan bij verdere escalatie zoals het betreden van andere ex Sovjet staten dan nog over? Kernraketten?

    Het gevoel zegt nu alles er tegenaan gooien in aanpak Rusland, maar het verstand zegt toch blijven nadenken.

    Groet, Jonas

    PS Nederland zat weer ouderwets te blunderen. Die snapper geweren van Ollongron waren 5 dagen na toezegging nog steeds niet echt geleverd! Niet te geloven dat geblunder.
  9. forum rang 7 leek2018 26 februari 2022 13:10
    quote:

    Rowi62 schreef op 26 februari 2022 09:22:

    Russian Duma member: "I voted for the Law as a shield for Eastern Ukraine, not to attack Kiev"
    Zeker nu bang voor zijn Westerse bankrekening.
  10. forum rang 10 luchtschip 26 februari 2022 13:12


    Staat van beleg in Kyiv t/m 28 februari 2022

    Niemand mag de straat op tussen 17:00 en 08;00 uur
    Teneinde de verdediging tegen de invaller beter te kunnen uitvoeren en de veiligheid van de burgers te beschermen

    Vitaly Klychko, burgemeester van Kyiv :

    From today, February 26, 2022, the curfew (in Kyiv) will run from 5:00 pm to 8:00 am for more effective defense of the capital and security of its inhabitants. This curfew is introduced until the morning of February 28.

    twitter.com/GlasnostGone/status/14975...

  11. forum rang 7 leek2018 26 februari 2022 13:16
    quote:

    jonas schreef op 26 februari 2022 13:09:

    Ik vraag mij toch af of 100% afsluiten Rusland door middel van Swiftuitsluiting strategisch verstandig is ondanks alle ellende in Oekraïne nu. Wat houd je dan bij verdere escalatie zoals het betreden van andere ex Sovjet staten dan nog over? Kernraketten?

    Het gevoel zegt nu alles er tegenaan gooien in aanpak Rusland, maar het verstand zegt toch blijven nadenken.

    Groet, Jonas

    PS Nederland zat weer ouderwets te blunderen. Die snapper geweren van Ollongron waren 5 dagen na toezegging nog steeds niet echt geleverd! Niet te geloven dat geblunder.
    Die geweren hebben pas nut als het een querilla oorlog gaat worden. Dus nog even de tijd.
  12. forum rang 10 luchtschip 26 februari 2022 13:17
    quote:

    leek2018 schreef op 26 februari 2022 13:10:

    [...]
    Zeker nu bang voor zijn Westerse bankrekening.
    De meeste leden van de Duma hebben een riante woning aan de Côte d'Azur, waar hun vrouw en kinderen de meeste tijd van het jaar verblijven.
    Ook laten zij hun kinderen studeren in Londen, Parijs en Milaan

    Blokkering van zijn bankrekening in het Westen, is misschien nog te doen, maar vrouw en kinderen accepteren niet dat ze hun verblijf in Frankrijk, moeten verruilen met het troosteloze koude Rusland
    Dat brengt spanningen mee in het gezin
  13. forum rang 7 leek2018 26 februari 2022 13:21
    quote:

    luchtschip schreef op 26 februari 2022 13:17:

    [...]

    De meeste leden van de Duma hebben een riante woning aan de Côte d'Azur, waar hun vrouw en kinderen de meeste tijd van het jaar verblijven.
    Ook laten zij hun kinderen studeren in Londen, Parijs en Milaan

    Blokkering van zijn bankrekening in het Westen, is misschien nog te doen, maar vrouw en kinderen accepteren niet dat ze hun verblijf in Frankrijk, moeten verruilen met het troosteloze koude Rusland
    Dat brengt spanningen mee in het gezin
    Als dat zo is, waarom worden ze dan niet teruggestuurd naar Rusland. Komt er gelijk ruimte vrij voor de vluchtelingen.
  14. forum rang 10 luchtschip 26 februari 2022 13:21
    quote:

    leek2018 schreef op 26 februari 2022 13:16:

    [...]
    Die geweren hebben pas nut als het een querilla oorlog gaat worden. Dus nog even de tijd.
    Die is al begonnen

    Of dacht je echt dat Oekraïnse burgers met een geweer een Russische bezetter vrij laten rondlopen ?
  15. snuf13 26 februari 2022 13:29
    Flitsmacht naar Polen onderweg........

    200 kruisraketten worden al geleverd aan Ukraine.......

    Verder lekker weer, het zonnetje schijnt hier......

    Er gebeurt niets....... vandaag blijft het droog.....
  16. snuf13 26 februari 2022 13:33
    Rutte vindt de hele wereld belangrijk......

    Maar de koopkracht krijgt een enorme smakker........

    Oh shit ik mag hier alleen alles over Rusland en Ukraine neerzetten :-)))
  17. forum rang 10 luchtschip 26 februari 2022 14:53


    Minister van Buitenlandse Zaken van Oekraïne, Dmytro Kuleba :

    Russian propaganda has gone off the rails and speculates Ukraine might be preparing to drop a ‘dirty bomb’ on the Russian territory.

    This is a sick fake.

    Ukraine doesn’t have nuclear weapons, doesn’t conduct any work to create/acquire them. We are a responsible member of the NPT ( non-nuclear-weapon treaty )

    twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/14975...
  18. forum rang 10 luchtschip 26 februari 2022 14:56


    En weer een Russische tank, klaar voor de schroothoop

    Glasnost gone :

    Russian tank crews finding driving on Ukrainian roads is very bad for your health.

    Posted by Ukraine's 24th Mechanized Brigade, tank said to have been knocked out in the Luhansk region.

    video 0:15 minuut

    twitter.com/GlasnostGone/status/14975...
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