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  1. pcrs7 18 juli 2008 09:40
    Ik dacht dat ze vorige week maandag net een sloot geld hadden opgehaald. Wordt dit een wekelijks geintje?
  2. [verwijderd] 18 juli 2008 09:59
    quote:

    pcrs7 schreef:

    Ik dacht dat ze vorige week maandag net een sloot geld hadden opgehaald. Wordt dit een wekelijks geintje?
    "Kapitaalsverhoging" klinkt blijkbaar intelligenter dan "loonsverhoging", even proberen bij m'n werkgever... wie niet waagt..;-)
  3. [verwijderd] 18 juli 2008 15:22
    quote:

    Durfinvest schreef:

    [quote=Durfinvest]
    Ze schieten er als een raket vandoor nu paralel aan elkaar ___________ +36% nu alle 2 !!
    [/quote]En vandaag weer +30% !!!! masaas paniekverkopers zijn bij de neus genomen !!
    En weer dik 10% erbij alle 2 voorbeurs...met enorm volume weer !
  4. pcrs7 18 juli 2008 15:49
    De nationalistatie is zeker al begonnen. Moet de FED niet net als andere partijen een meerderheidsbelang aankondigen?
  5. [verwijderd] 18 juli 2008 15:58
    Aflossing Fannie Mae
    18-7-2008 - 15:00

    WASHINGTON, July 18 /PRNewswire/ --

    Fannie Mae (NYSE: FNM) zal de aangegeven hoofdsommen aflossen voor de
    volgende effectenemissies op de hieronder aangegeven aflossingsdatums tegen
    een aflossingsprijs die gelijk is aan 100 procent van de afgeloste hoofdsom,
    plus daarop verschuldigde rente tot de aflossingsdatum:

    Hoofd- Type Rente- Verval- CUSIP Aflossings-
    som waardepapier voet datum datum
    US$ 10.000.000 MTN 5,180% 29 januari 3136F8EH4 29 juli
    2010 2008
    US$ 500.000.000 MTN 5,330% 29 januari 31359M4W0 29 juli
    2010 2008

    Fannie Mae maakte op 7 juli 2008 bekend dat het de onderliggende waarde
    van US$ 60.000.000 had afgelost van het volgende waardepapier: CUSIP
    31359MT94. In werkelijkheid heeft het bedrijf echter het volledige uitstaande
    bedrag van US$ 1.000.000.000 afgelost op 15 juli 2008.

    Fannie Mae is een bedrijf dat in bezit is van aandeelhouders met een
    openbare missie. Fannie Mae werd opgericht om het aantal betaalbare woningen
    uit te breiden en wereldwijd kapitaal naar plaatselijke gemeenschappen te
    brengen ten behoeve van de Amerikaanse woningmarkt. Fannie Mae heeft federale
    statuten en is werkzaam in de secundaire hypotheekmarkt om ervoor te zorgen
    dat hypotheekbankiers en andere kredietverschaffers genoeg fondsen hebben om
    leningen tegen lage tarieven te verstrekken aan mensen die een huis kopen.
    2008 is het zeventigste jaar waarin we onze diensten aanbieden op de
    Amerikaanse huizenmarkt. Het is onze taak om diegenen die Amerika huisvesten
    te helpen.

    Dit persbericht vormt geen aanbod om effecten van Fannie Mae te verkopen
    en is ook geen verzoek tot een aanbod om deze effecten te kopen. Niets in dit
    persbericht vormt een advies over de voordelen van aankoop of verkoop van een
    bepaalde belegging. Een beslissing om te beleggen in de effecten die hier
    worden vermeld, moet enkel worden gemaakt op grond van de informatie in de
    prospectus van Fannie Mae. Er mag geen vertrouwen worden gesteld in de
    volledigheid of juistheid van de informatie in dit persbericht.

    U moet de aard van de effecten en de mogelijke risico's begrijpen voordat
    u effecten verhandelt. U moet weten of de effecten geschikt zijn voor u in de
    context van uw omstandigheden en uw financiële positie. Raadpleeg in geval
    van twijfel een voldoende gekwalificeerde financiële adviseur.


  6. [verwijderd] 18 juli 2008 16:23
    het is wel een beetje zo dat vs 200x groter is dan NL in oppervlak en maar 20x zoveel mensen, een echte markt daar itt tot de huizenmarkt hier die volldeig gerestricteerd en gereguleerd is, bij vergrijzing en veel versterving in 10 jaar zal toch ook hier daling komen
  7. [verwijderd] 21 juli 2008 15:47
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  8. [verwijderd] 21 juli 2008 15:49
    quote:

    Durfinvest schreef:

    [quote=Durfinvest]
    [quote=Durfinvest]
    Ze schieten er als een raket vandoor nu paralel aan elkaar ___________ +36% nu alle 2 !!
    [/quote]En vandaag weer +30% !!!! masaas paniekverkopers zijn bij de neus genomen !!
    [/quote]En weer dik 10% erbij alle 2 voorbeurs...met enorm volume weer !
    FNM - FANNIE MAE (US, NYSE)


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  9. [verwijderd] 21 juli 2008 22:16
    By Tom Dyson: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are about to go bankrupt...

    Leverage is the problem with these government-backed institutions. They bought $1.7 trillion in assets using only $70 billion of investors' money. So these assets only have to decline by $70 billion – 4.1% – to wipe out shareholders. Actually, if you include their mortgage guarantees, Freddie and Fannie are liable for $4.8 trillion worth of mortgages. So to wipe investors out, mortgage values only have to decline by 1.4%. And that's exactly what's happening right now...

    Fannie and Freddie own mortgage assets. The value of these assets is a function of home prices and the solvency of homeowners. The S&P/Case-Shiller National Home Price Index is now down 14.1% year over year. Foreclosures are up 53% from June 2007.

    No one knows exactly how much mortgage values have fallen. Every mortgage is different, and there's no benchmark. But one thing's for sure: They've fallen more than 4.1%. In other words, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are technically bankrupt.

    Fannie and Freddie, directly or indirectly, own half the mortgages in America. Their bankruptcy will be one of the most important events in the history of American capitalism.

    The government will bail out Fannie and Freddie and assume their debts. This is inflation. It will meet Fannie and Freddie's trillion-dollar debts by issuing more debt of its own. U.S. government debt will lose its value, and the dollar will keep falling.

  10. pcrs7 22 juli 2008 08:00
    quote:

    De.E. schreef:

    By Tom Dyson: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are about to go bankrupt...

    Fannie and Freddie, directly or indirectly, own half the mortgages in America. Their bankruptcy will be one of the most important events in the history of American capitalism.
    Mijn hemel: dit kapitalisme noemen gaat wel heel erg ver. F&F zijn GSE;government sponsored enterprises (GSE). Ze hebben impliciete kapitaalgarantie van de belastingbetaler en hoeven geen volledige inzage in hun boeken te geven. Straks wordt de ondergang van de FED en dollar ook nog een crisis in het kapitalisme genoemd.
    Yan Rand:Capitalism the unknown ideal
  11. Cézan 22 juli 2008 15:49
    Gaat Fannie Mae weer..koers bedoel ik.
    ........
    Paulson to Congress:

    Pass rescue plan
    Treasury Secretary says proposal is key to restoring confidence in mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    Last Updated: July 22, 2008: 9:43 AM EDT

    Paulson: Banking system is safe

    Paulson to Congress: Pass rescue plan
    Wachovia reports $9 billion loss
    Fannie, Freddie books under inspection - report
    House likely to modify Fannie, Freddie rescue


    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson urged Congress Tuesday to approve the Bush administration's plan to back up mortgage financiers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    Speaking in New York the day before the House is expected to take up the proposal, Paulson said it's crucial that the companies have access to the capital they need to maintain their operations and regain the public's confidence.

    "Their continued activity is central to the speed with which we emerge from this housing correction and remove the underlying uncertainty in our financial markets and financial institutions," Paulson said.

    "Now, more than ever, we need Fannie and Freddie out there, financing mortgages," he added. "That means we must, in the short term, take steps to boost confidence in the [companies], while also taking steps to address the potential systemic risk they pose."

    The recovery, however, will take time, Paulson said.

    "We have been experiencing more bumps recently, and until the housing market stabilizes further we should expect some continued stresses in our financial markets," he said. "Working through the current turmoil will take additional time, as markets and financial institutions continue to reassess risk and reprice securities across a number of asset classes and sectors."

    The administration on July 13 unveiled a plan to inject untold billions of dollars into Fannie and Freddie by temporarily increasing their line of credit with Treasury and allowing Paulson's agency to buy stock in the mortgage giants. The secretary has stressed that the two may never need to draw upon the funds, but that the proposal should calm the roiling markets by making it clear the government stands behind the companies.

    The plan could cost the federal government $25 billion over fiscal years 2009 and 2010, according to a report released Tuesday by the Congressional Budget Office. It noted the cost could vary widely depending on the extent of the bailout, if any is needed at all.

    Paulson also wants Congress to endorse the creation of a new regulator for Fannie and Freddie, which would keep a closer eye on the companies' operations. The Federal Reserve should have a consulting role in setting capital requirements and other standards, he said.

    The speech and CBO report did not help Fannie and Freddie's stock prices. Fannie (FNM, Fortune 500) and Freddie (FRE, Fortune 500) were each down 12% in early morning trading.

    Central players in mortgage market
    Freddie and Fannie are critical to the revival of the United States housing market. The two provide much-needed funding for banks and lenders, who can no longer turn to investors to buy pools of mortgage loans. Freddie has already indicated it might have to reduce its purchases of home loans, which would make it even more difficult and expensive for Americans to obtain mortgages.

    Set up by Congress to encourage homeownership but spun off as private companies owned by shareholders, Fannie and Freddie own or guarantee more than $5 trillion in home loans. This is about half the mortgages in the United States.

    Responding to a question about how the taxpayer would be protected if the government has to bail out the companies, Paulson said Congress should not put restrictions on Treasury's rescue plan because greater flexibility engenders greater support in the capital markets.

    "It minimizes the likelihood they'll be used," he said, referring to the bailout measures.

    Paulson's speech comes as Congress is poised to vote on the housing rescue plan. The House is expected to take up the proposal on Wednesday. House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass., and others have said they are concerned about giving the Treasury department a blank check to bail out Fannie and Freddie.

    Tuesday's speech comes a day after Paulson spent time with Wall Street chief executives discussing the current economic situation. He also took a weekend tour of the talk show circuit, appearing on CNN and CBS on Sunday to drum up support for the plan.

    Looking beyond the current turmoil, Paulson said Wall Street needs to consider a more significant overhaul of the financial market operations and the regulation of the industry. That way, problems at one institution - be it a mortgage finance company, a hedge fund or a brokerage firm such as Bear Stearns - doesn't threaten to upend the entire sector.

    "Looking beyond today's market challenges, we need to get to a point where large, complex financial institutions are not perceived to be too big or too interconnected to fail," he said.

    First Published: July 22, 2008: 8:10 AM EDT

    cnnmoney.com
  12. [verwijderd] 23 juli 2008 22:51
    The Freddie-Fannie Saga Continues

    Well, here we are. Week three of what might go down as some of the darkest days in the American housing market. The good news is that Fannie Mae (NYSE: FNM) and Freddie Mac (NYSE: FRE) are still alive and kicking, thank goodness. The bad news, and there's quite a bit of it, is that their story is far from over.

    Welcome to America
    American investors aren't the only ones feeling the heat of the mortgage meltdown. More than $1.5 trillion, or about 20%, of Fannie and Freddie securities were held by foreign investors as of the end of March. The lure of these securities over the years was simple: Since Fan and Fred were backed by the U.S. government, at least in theory, you needn't even mutter the words "credit risk." But what if the government decided not to come through on its implicit pledge? Oh, claptrap. Just shut up and buy, would you?

    Well, as the day of reckoning draws closer, rest assured that our deep-pocketed friends abroad will be watching any developments very closely. To a greater degree than most people will admit, foreign participation in our markets is keeping the American engine running. Any large-scale fallout from Freddie and Fannie would likely zap confidence among foreign capital, which could cause interest rates to surge and pummel the dollar into submission. Oh, the joys of globalizing your debt.

    Here comes the flood
    Of course, any need for government intervention could be detoured if the two could stay afloat on their own terms. This is the most probable outcome, in my opinion. But before you pop the champagne corks and dive back into these battered stocks, know that what you'll get tomorrow might be a pittance of what you'll pay today.

    Freddie is considering raising as much as $10 billion, in a stock sale that would dilute the pants off current investors. How much dilution would occur? We're talking about adding around 1 billion shares to the total count -- on top of the 645 million or so currently outstanding. Yes, raising capital can stave off a looming collapse, but it isn't a fix-all solution for shareholders. Just ask the folks at Washington Mutual (NYSE: WM), Thornburg Mortgage (NYSE: TMA), or Ambac (NYSE: ABK).

    But what if ...
    Of course, if last week's gains prove to be nothing more than a suckers' rally, and Fan and Fred require a bailout, it won't be a cheap one. On Wednesday, the President backed off his threat to veto legislation that could insure as much as $300 billion of refinanced mortgages. The bill also gives the Treasury Department the power to purchase equity and lend to Freddie and Fannie. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that a rescue would cost in the neighborhood of $25 billion, but it could be as high as $100 billion. Who would pay that money? Taxpayers like you.

    The Budget Office did note that there was at least a 50% chance the government wouldn't have to intervene. Phew! Meanwhile, my inner mathematician would like to remind you that there could be as much as a 50% chance that Uncle Sam will need to step in. Half full, half empty ... whatever.

    Where to now?
    Both Fannie and Freddie have more than doubled since bottoming out last week. Kudos to them. Unfortunately, it's likely we'll be hearing about these two wayward government-backed companies for some time to come.
  13. [verwijderd] 23 juli 2008 23:46
    House OKs aid for housing, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

    By Robert Schroeder
    Last update: 5:04 p.m. EDT July 23, 2008
    Comments: 26
    WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- House lawmakers approved a sweeping bill to aid homeowners and prop up Fannie Mae: FNM 14.76, +1.35, +10.1%) and Freddie Mac (FRE: 10.54, +0.84, +8.7%) on Wednesday in an ambitious move to defuse the housing crisis. By a vote of 272 to 152, the House passed a plan to authorize unlimited credit to Fannie and Freddie, allow the government to insure up to $300 billion in refinanced mortgages and extend a tax break of as much as $7,500 to first-time home buyers. The Senate is expected to act on the bill later this week and President Bush is expected to sign it after dropping a threat to veto it over a $4 billion program allowing local governments to buy foreclosed homes. End of Story

    www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story....
  14. pcrs7 24 juli 2008 21:29
    ABP maar beweren dat deze bedrijven AAA zijn met overheidsgarantie. De aandelen gaan de ene dag 20% omlaag en de volgende dag 20% omhoog. Maar de obligaties, daar zit totaal geen risico in.
  15. [verwijderd] 24 juli 2008 21:39
    quote:

    pcrs7 schreef:

    De aandelen gaan de ene dag 20% omlaag en de volgende dag 20% omhoog......
    Vandaag -20% naar onder shorten en morgen weer +20% de hoogte in coveren...zo gaat dat al weken met deze 2 hahaha,slimme bicboys daar in de vs.
  16. [verwijderd] 24 juli 2008 21:47
    quote:

    SkySpam1 schreef:

    [quote=Durfinvest]
    slimme bicboys daar in de vs.
    [/quote]
    Slim, daar kun jij niet van meespreken hé kluizenaar!
    meer dan jij, Durfinvest heeft al een bewezen trackrecord op IEX, wat heb jij bewezen?
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